now comes the hard part! – ANARCHISTS MARGINALIZED AS TERRORISTS by Rob Los Ricos

<table><tr><td>From <a href="http://roblosricos.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/now-comes-the-hard-part-anar... los Ricos (blog)</a>

<strong>ANARCHISTS MARGINALIZED AS&nbsp;TERRORISTS</strong>
<p><strong>standing beside the comrades duped into an fbi bomb conspiracy</strong></p>
<p>as if the job of marginalizing the anarchist movement in the u.s. was not already being championed by cowards within the occupy movement, five bold, wreckless comrades have found themselves victims of a fraudulent bombing plot which the fbi engineered.</p>
<p>it is imperative not to let these brave, foolish comrades become isolated. more than anything else we must remember:</p></td><td><img title="Lonely people become crazy people" src="http://anarchistnews.org/files/pictures/2012/ohyeah.jpg"></td></tr></tab...
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<h3 style="text-align:center;">ATTACKS ON THE FASCIST/CORPORATE INFRASTRUCTURE ARE LEGITIMATE AND NECESSARY!</h3>
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<div id="attachment_2267" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 310px"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2267 " style="border-style:initial;" title="Four were hanged: August Spies, Adolph Fischer, George Engel, and Albert Parsons. Each was given a chance to speak briefly; Parsons, the last, shouted, &quot;Let the voice of the people be heard!&quot; The anarchist union organizers were hung for their proposal for an eight-hour workday. that's right - americans fought, bled, and were killed in order to have an eight-hour workday. most nations on earth commemorate the chicago anarchists deaths on may 1st. not america. why?" src="https://roblosricos.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/hanged1a.gif?w=300&#038;... alt="" width="300" height="220" /><p class="wp-caption-text">&#8220;There will be a time when our silence will be more powerful than the voices you strangle today!</p></div>
<p>if there is to be shit-talking and back-stabbing over this, let it be over our own cowardice that makes such an arrest an isolated incident. why are the prisons and jails not overflowing with captured comrades? why is our rebellion so weak that the government is not forced to release us as soon as they process us into their jails, for lack of space? naturally, we must all strive in our efforts to avoid being captured, but that should never stop us from doing that which we know must be done. circumstances are changing, and the government&#8217;s well-know, explicit, and fully documented policy of preemptive strikes ensures that we cannot allow the militarized police forces to always push the attack. if not now, then when? even today may be too late.</p>
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<h3 style="text-align:center;">IF THE INNOCENT DESERVE SUPPORT, THE GUILTY MUST NEVER BE IN DOUBT OF IT!</h3>
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<p><strong>Demonization of Anarchism</strong></p>
<p>In addition to a continuation of undercover informants and FBI-manufactured plots, this case also reflects on an-going focus on demonizing anarchists.</p>
<p>The government’s <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/cleveland/press-releases/2012/five-men-arrested-in-pl... target="_blank">press release</a> proclaims that the defendants are “self-proclaimed anarchists.” The affidavit notes that they attended anarchist protests and carried anarchist flags.</p>
<p>The affidavit also says that the defendants talked about anarchists “rioting and destroying each city” that holds May Day protests, and that it will be “off the hook.”</p>
<p>Demonizing anarchists has gone one for over a century, of course, but in recent years the rhetoric has dovetailed with “War on Terrorism” hysteria.</p>
<p>For example, in <a href="http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/scott-demuth-released-anarchist-lit... target="_blank">Scott Demuth’s case</a>, the government argued that: “Defendant’s writings, literature, and conduct suggest that he is an anarchist and associated with the ALF movement. Therefore, he is a domestic terrorist.”</p>
<p>In another case, the government sought a <a href="http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/criminalizing-anarchist-literature/... target="_blank">high cash bond against environmentalist Hugh Farrell </a>because “the defendant has been observed advocating literature and materials which advocate anarchy.”</p>
<p>It should come as no surprise, then, that the announcement of these arrests was carefully unveiled yesterday, so that the top news story this May Day would not be about how<a href="http://whatthefuckhasoccupydone.com/" target="_blank">anarchists are preventing home foreclosures, starting community gardens</a>, teaching collective organizing skills, and re-framing class consciousness, but about how they were part of an FBI-guided “terrorist plot.”</p>
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<h1>FBI Supplied the Anarchist “Terrorists” Arrested in May Day Plot</h1>
<p>from <a href="http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-anarchist-terrorists-may-day-oh... target="_blank">green is the new red</a></p>
<p><em><strong>the federal government will move to crush dissent at some point. do you know the story of may day?</strong></em></p>
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<td align="center" nowrap="nowrap"><span style="color:navy;">Commemorating the Fight<br />
for the Eight-Hour Workday</span></td>
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<td colspan="2">The fight for the eight-hour workday began in earnest in the United States, over a century ago, when the American Federation of Labor adopted an historic resolution asserting that &#8220;eight hours shall constitute a legal day&#8217;s labor from and after May 1st, 1886.&#8221; Up until that time, working people were routinely required to work 10 to 16 hours a day, 6 days a week!In the months prior to May 1st, 1886, American workers in the hundreds of thousands were drawn into the struggle for the shorter day. Skilled and unskilled, black and white, men and women, native-born and immigrant &#8211; all became involved.</p>
<p>In Chicago alone 400,000 were out on strike for the shorter workday. A newspaper of that city reported that &#8220;…no smoke curled up from the tall chimneys of the factories and mills, and things had assumed a Sabbath-like appearance.&#8221; On May 3, 1886, peaceful public demonstrations by the strikers precipitated violent police retaliation, resulting in the death of at least one striker, and serious injury to many more.</p>
<p>The next day in Haymarket Square a public meeting was held to protest the brutal assaults on the demonstrating strikers. The crowd was orderly, and Chicago mayor Carter Harrison advised the police captain to send home the large contingent of police reservists who were waiting at the stationhouse in case they were needed for crowd control.</p>
<p>By ten o&#8217;clock that rainy evening the meeting was winding down and only about 200 of the demonstrators remained in the Square. Suddenly, a police column of 180 men, led by the police captain, moved in and ordered the people to disperse immediately. At that moment, the peaceful assembly became violent &#8211; a bomb was thrown into the police ranks, killing one policeman outright, fatally wounding six more, and seriously injuring about seventy. The police opened fire into the crowd; the number of wounded and killed has never been ascertained.</p>
<p>A reign of terror swept over Chicago. The press and the pulpit called for revenge, insisting the bomb was the work of socialists and anarchists. Meeting halls, union offices, printing works, and private homes were raided, and known socialists and anarchists were rounded up. Even many individuals who had no connections at all to the socialists or anarchists were arrested and tortured. &#8220;Make the raids first and look up the law afterwards,&#8221; was the public statement of Julius Grinnell, the state&#8217;s attorney.</td>
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<div>from <a href="http://www.ufcwlocal1445.org/LabHstry1.htm" target="_blank">THE EIGHT-HOUR WORKDAY</a></div>

Comments

interesting opening, please continue

Rob "las mujeres" Los Ricos is a straight up misogynist! He is also a crack and meth addict who has stolen hundreds of dollars from people who take him into their homes. I can't believe that you let him post here.

This went out in 2006, barely three months after he was released from prison. NOTHING has changed! He is still the lying, maipulative asshole that he was in 2006. He continues to hurt so many people. I'm a dude who has talked to Rob acouple of times about how he continues to fuck up people who care about him. He says he always stiredes to do better. But you know, if I saw him today, I would beat the ever loving shit out of him-no fucking joke.

READ THIS!

A Warning to Women in the Anarchist/Activist community:

We are sending this communique to women that we know have contact with Rob Thaxton.
We are four women who have all, at one time or another, been romantically involved
with Rob. Our intention is not to spread this information publicly, but to make a
sincere effort to warn women who come into contact with him, who may be next in line
for his abuse. We ask, please, that you respect our desire not to air this message
on public forums, but ask that you DO share it with women that may be apt to get
involved romatically with Rob.

Recently, it has come to light that Rob will use any method possible to seduce women
in order to have housing and money. He has been egregiously disingenuous with all
four of us, and in our sitting down together comparing notes, we realize he is
continuing to do this to other women, if he thinks he can get away with it.

As we all know, prison is a brutal place, and people who have spent time there come
out with many issues and difficulties in adjusting to life outside the walls. All
four of us have worked very hard to support Rob through this transition. We are not
unsymapthetic to the hardships prison has created in his life. We do not, however,
believe that this is an excuse for the lies and manipulations he uses to get laid.
In fact, he uses the glamour of "political prisoner" to get women. Please believe
us... there's nothing glamorous about being treated like shit.

The deceptions began long before Rob ever went to prison, continued in his use of
women from the inside, and have really exploded on his release.

The most important information that needs to come out is that Rob is extremely
irresponsible and reckless with the health of the women he engages with. He has Hepatitis C, which can be transmitted sexually. As far as we know, he has been
honest about this condition. However, he also has Herpes Simplex I and II, and did
not tell at least two of us about this before sexual activity. Herpes can be spread
even with the use of condoms. He has not been tested for HIV since his release, which is an extreme concern after life in prison, where HIV spreads faster than
among any other population. Rob has also been a habitual intravenous drug user
(prior to prison, and there is evidence to suggest since his release.)

Rob practices unethical non-monogamy. He lies to women about having other lovers,
and has even made promises of marriage to more than one woman at a time. Even if you
yourself practice non-monogamy, he will lie to you about other women. He will
obfuscate and hedge his bets, and makes every attempt to get the women he is
involved with to distrust one another. He will spread lies about the other women he
is involved with to make you lose respect for those women, because he is trying to
make sure we never engage with each other (lest his lies be revealed). He will say
ANYTHING to get what he wants from women. He will tell you what he thinks you want
to hear. When the four of us sat down together and started comparing notes, the
depth of the lies was truly astounding. We do not feel the need to go into detail
here, but if you want to compare notes as well, feel free to contact us.

We are engaged in a discussion through email with Rob. We have set conditions he
must adhere to if he does not wish us to publicly denounce him. So far, he is mostly
defensive, but we believe that if we (...as radical women who will not allow our
community to be poisoned both physically and emotionally...) stand together in
holding him accountable for his behavior, that real revolutionary change and growth
can occur, both in him, and in the way we as women treat one another around
manipulative men.

The two demands we have set forward for Rob are that he:

1) Get professional counseling for a longterm period.

2) Stop getting intimately involved with women until he has had some breakthrough
(the time period is uncertain, and should be negotiated soon.)

If he refuses or fails in either demand, we will publicly denounce him. The manner
of such is not yet decided. We do not wish (well... some of us do wish, but areconstraining ourselves until the burn of anger has died down...) to trash Rob publicly, as we do not believe this is the best possible outcome in this situation.
The best outcome is that the sick behavior STOPS.

If you are a friend or supporter of Rob, please stand in solidarity with us and hold
Rob accountable for his actions. It is in his best interest to get help, and in the best interest of our community.

Nice job.

-- COINTELRO.

Naw, no COINTELPRO. All true. I was there. Nothing has changed. Rob exists in a land of selective memory and denial. He blames girl friends for his addictions. Someone sent me this link and I am shocked that he thinks he can come back on the internet when so many people has never received an apology. Or a thank you.

C'mon, Rob. Own up. I know that you have money to pay back and do right what you did wrong. And don't be so cavalier as to think that your past is not gonna come back to haunt you, especially with so many knowing the truth.

I would say, brace yourself for a shit storm, Ace.

"Our intention is not to spread this information publicly... We ask, please, that you respect our desire not to AIR THIS MESSAGE ON PUBLIC FORUMS, but ask that you DO share it with women that may be apt to get involved romatically with Rob."

If this letter is real, then stop posting right now, you jerk. Conversations between ex-lovers and new-lovers should happen, this letter seems to be written as a conversation starter for the people involved to talk face-to-face (or at least on the phone) about it. Please be sensitive about everyone involved emotions, anarchy is partly about breaking the learned behaviors that keep us all hurting each other over and over. If people don't want this on a site like this, then IMO it shouldn't be put up on a site like this. And don't threaten to try and turn this into a shit storm, this isn't your ex-highschool, this is a movement for freedom.

wah wah bad breakup = boyfriend is abuser lets ignore prisoners

Fuck you, misogynist. People don't call accountability processes for "bad break-ups". You want to enable COINTELPRO, keep making manipulative manarchists welcome in our movement.

Woah woah woah there, I wasn't involved in this thread until now, but that link is about political organizing, not about sexual/interpersonal relations. Please don't throw it around like it addresses any of what's being discussed here.

I'm with this anon.

Why don't you write your own article about that instead of trying to hijack the discussion of this one?

You are the one forcing your personal life into an anonymous comment thread and then getting thin skinned when people make fun of you for it.

IMHO alot have been bad breakups. Yes, COINTELPRO and rape exists. However, it seems in Rob's case it was a bad breakup, as is usual in the anarcho-microscene. Sorry.

"wah wah bad breakup = boyfriend is abuser lets ignore prisoners"

this should not have two upvotes. no one is saying ignore prisoners. and no one is saying "bad break up". what about spreading stds is unclear?

yes, the process is fucked up (internet accusations), but the world is fucked up. sometimes f2f doesn't mean anything or work at all. should the std spreader be the person to benefit from that?

not that i'm supporting any of this really. it all sucks.

He's a horrible person, yet so are we. The moral outrage has already been done about this and I applaud turning their outrage into a joke. Nobody has killed this guy, nor have they made a single serve website dedicated to exposing him. I suggest the latter and a link to it be made, if it is important to spend years doing this whenever his voice goes beyond his own blog. Do whatever you want, I encourage more mockery of this situation. Troll on!

Get help. You're severely mentally ill.

You don't even remotely know what that means.

Hahaha "apology/thank you"

"Have more manners, Rob! You allegedly stole money from me, but please, just have more manners and be nicer, you know?"

"blames girlfriends for addictions"

... are these girlfriends users of the same highly addictive drugs? What about you, since you're in to openness, do you use meth/crack? Ever been addicted? Ever stolen anything from anyone? Ever done awful shit to a boyfriend/partner?

"Own up." We're all dying to know about your Sainthood. How does such a perfect sweetheart angel like you get all mixed up with ex-prisoner conning addicts anyway?

Isn't it Rob's sainthood that is in question? Since you all think that he is a saint?

Well, now it's your critical thinking that's in question... because no, I wouldn't assume he's a saint, and the obvious intent of the sarcastic mention of "sainthood" is to show that I don't assume YOU ARE either. I don't think less righteousness would rescue these "warning/ousting" comments from fallacy and indication of neuroses of the comments, but it wouldn't hurt.

p.s. sweet evasion and deflection of the questions regarding your own past and behaviors back on to rob.

"Own up."

(except, I don't actually care about your stupid past.)

wait, hold on, aren't you the asshole who is trying to evade and deflect? Why the fuck would you immediately change the subject to the "past and behaviors" of those calling Rob out? That's seriously out of the patriarchy handbook.

That's not a subject change, that is a subject elaboration. You and your history is inextricably tied to the "subject", and asking about your "past endeavors" is not a CHANGE of the SUBJECT. Do you take issue with "owning up" to your past, even though you readily offer up his past and your role in it? Do you take issue with being asked, or are you evading answering for other reasons? OWN UP. There is no reason to take information about rob in isolation from the aspects that I *specifically* questioned. These "call outs" are an immediate subject change from a topical article to the person and past who wrote it, and the reason I would ask is to (A) find out more about the situation, such as if a stupid addict thief is "warning" me about another stupid addict thief and (B) to illustrate or discover other potential motivations for *aspects* of the "call out."

You also left out that I included "i don't actually give a shit about your past," which was in order to indicate that I'm being illustrative and not strictly literal, as your archetypal patriarch would supposedly be.

Evading and deflecting your comment would have involved no response and/or no inquiry within the response with no consideration of the topical material.

Here, again, we have *no answer* to the questions that were asked. I have a suspicion, based on analyzing and reading the text, that there is superfluous information within it that is worthy of criticism and skepticism. I also disagree with the conceptually provocative emphasis on the "owning up" ethos included, and intend to convey and illustrate one of the problematic implications of it by indulgently applying it to you in the same way.

Thanks for asking why "the fuck" I would ask.

>> Why the fuck would you immediately change the subject to the "past and behaviors" of those calling Rob out? That's seriously out of the patriarchy handbook.

hahahahahaha!!!!!!! so now transference (if that's the correct psych term) is purely patriarchy? any chance you feminists could pull your heads out of your asses and actually see the world through a less myopic-lens?

"you feminists." I presume you are not one. No wonder you're saying such bullshit.

It's 2012 yo
Feminist =|= gender egalitarian or even anti-patriarchal

It's a pretty broad term used by a lot of fucked up people who are just fine with domination and feminism as a mainstream idea is dominated by rich white women who want everyone to care about their problems. Radical feminism includes people who want to exterminate trans folk and all around it includes women who think femaleness trumps every other kind of privilege and women who will readily abuse any man the can get power over. Historically mainstream feminists have fought tooth and nail against the recognition of any kind of predation on the part of women or victimization of men. It's not some kind of one sided do-gooder philosophy that only an asshole would reject.

>it includes women who think femaleness trumps every other kind of privilege

What does that mean?

That being a woman makes you the biggest victim in the room and thus at the top of the inverted hierarchy even if you're a rich white woman. It's also essentially what "Radical Feminism" is about in that it considers patriarchy the root of, and therefore more important than, all other kinds of oppression.

actually no one thinks Rob is a saint but ZERO FUCKING TOLERANCE for bullshit unsubstantiated abuse (or worse, rape) allegations that distract us people from the question of prisoner support. No one is a fucking saint but some people are crybabies. Reminds me of that bullshit from Petroleuse Press which wrecked the NYC scene.

make total destroy on Petroleuse Press.

seriously.

I found out a mere two weeks after Rob was released that we had supremely fucked up. How did I fuck up? I believed everything he said. Why would he lie? Celebrated anarchist and all?

Ever had to chase a prostitute out of a celebrated anarchist's hotel room? At the tail end of a weekend meth binge that he engaged her in? A celebrated anarchist for whom you busted your ass for, raising hundreds of dollars for said celebrated anarchist while he was inside?

Rob is beyond manarchist. You have no idea how manipulative he is. Count your blessings.

"... are these girlfriends users of the same highly addictive drugs? What about you, since you're in to openness, do you use meth/crack? Ever been addicted? Ever stolen anything from anyone? Ever done awful shit to a boyfriend/partner?"

Hilarious. Pulling anything and everything out of your ass to stick up for this guy.

You misogynist defenders are unbelievable.

"Ever had to chase a prostitute out of a celebrated anarchist's hotel room?"

Wait, so you hate sex workers? Something's not adding up...

I think they are mad because he is bi-winning. Does Charlie Sheen have STDs?

Hey there, Skippy: He already violated parole by sticking a needle in his arm. So, maybe spending three days shooting up with a prostitute who supplied the meth and who also who several outstanding warrants of her own, just might not be the best choice for companionship. Ya think?

Lol, you are so desperate to share every bit of information you have about this asshole no one cares about. Are you working on a book about him or something? Is there something you want to hear or are trying to convince us of?

Yesh, Mishter Roffisher!

HIS CHOICE

HIS FUCKING CHOICE

get out

fuck you

chase you the fuck out

you moralist fucking probation officer

I don't shoot up and I've never been involved with a sex-worker, but I know and am friends plenty of people who are or do both. I'm not in to their shit, but I understand it... but *your shit is fucking repulsive.*

... Prostitute. Celebrated Anarchist.

Not only have I never "Had" to do that, but I also can't easily fathom a scenario where one *would* have to chase a SEX WORKER out of a PERSON'S hotel room... I mean, maybe if I was a cop, I might find myself chasing prostitutes, especially if they were found in an anarchist's hotel room.

You're doing something wrong. You didn't need to do SHIT.

What part of "this is a thread about prisoner support" do you not understand?

The article is not about Rob or you (if you can fathom that). If you want to write one about him, do that. Don't be surprised that people aren't interested in talking about your personal shit when they come to comment on prisoner support. You couldn't come across as more self-absorbed.

This is a thread about prisoner support, yup yup.

Its about how former "political " prisoner Rob los Ricos continues to shit all over people who supported him for some 10 odd years. And not just women.

And isn't it the job of radical men to out manarchists? Or wait, I see you all support manarchists here.

And we are supposed to support Rob, why? Oh, because he is a noble and good being.

Grow the fuck up, assholes.

According to the stories, the people involved weren't even very good at avoid being continuously "shit all over," or warning others without apparent projections, latent fixations issues, self-absorption, irrelevant attack info, and subtextual condescension towards the intended audience.

I wonder if these poor skills of comprehension and expression are tied in some way to trusting someone RELEASED FROM PRISON WHO IS ADDICTED TO DRUGS OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER TO NOT BE CAPABLE OF STEALING FROM YOU AND LYING.

I have no intention of victim blaming, it's not a "fault" that occurred, by any means. But shit, I suppose I should just be appreciative that the people I surround myself with find it to really not be that hard to reserve a cautious and critical eye of people in general, especially without lending to value judgments or condemnation.

Naw, you're victim blaming, that is precisely what you're doing. Straight up. Why are you doing it?

Because people need to stop walking into situations where they become victims and getting mad at everyone else for not saving them. These discussion about accountability and prevention never come full circle back to choosing who you hang out with more wisely or what it is about "anarchist" "culture" that allows abusive shitbags to thrive.

Are you that resistant to the idea of criticizing & disagreement without judgment, expectations, and blame that you can't answer that question on your own, or notice that I *did* answer it in the same sentiment?

it's more like putz blaming

I actually have no defense for him. Interpreting those questions as a defense of him as opposed to a skeptical criticism of the accuser is a fallacious connotation. The skepticism involved in those *specific* questions HAS ZERO BEARING ON ANY INTERPRETATIONS OF ROB.

The story provided and its information is being *considered,* including what regards the story tellers.

I have an actual interest that goes beyond what you *intend* for me to hear and know, and discomfort with that is quite likely/possibly substantive to various factors that I am being TOLD and PERSUADED to consider. Do you usually react dismissively to those who question that which they are being TOLD and PERSUADED?

LOL IGTT 10/10

Boo fucking hoo. I can't believe we let you post here.

"Our intention is not to spread this information publicly... We ask, please, that you respect our desire not to AIR THIS MESSAGE ON PUBLIC FORUMS, but ask that you DO share it with women that may be apt to get involved romatically with Rob."

hey worker, don't you think this should be deleted probably?

Damn, at least he's writing things of this length about TERRORISM CHARGES, instead of "mean ol' doo-doo headed liars."

You seriously matched the article in length to surmise that dudes can be cheating liars who want stuff from people and take stuff. (as if this doesn't describe like a GREAT DEAL OF PEOPLE at various times across all categories/identities/classes of people... Why is it, do you think, that I've personally known soooo many women who are lying, cheating, manipulative drug addicts, especially in radical circles, but this type of "warning" doesn't circulate in that same way? Why does it feel as if a circulation of that sort would be written off as patriarchal/misogynist/sexist?)

You'll have to forgive less sheltered people for not needing this "warning," and for further not believing everyone when they imply via this attacks that they don't also exhibit the behaviors they condemn.

Is that you, Rob?

Whoever you are, you should be ashamed of yourself for your 1980's-era anti-feminist turnaround nonsense. Not even creative.

Shit, I didn't know my questions and perceptions about lies and theft were dated and categorically un-clever.

That must mean the implications are irrelevant, and that the questions aren't worth actually addressing, right?

Thanks for the insight, even though it was not appropriate, let alone "clever."

AND, at least the boy can suck some pussy!! So, not an entirely worthless object taking up precious space. ~_~

English to Spanish: Rob los Ricos = Rob the rich
Rob la mujeres = Rob the women

Rob=Dick Van Dyke

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This ain't the fucking venue for this sort of post....

"wreckless" -- not exactly

OK listen...these people sitting in jail right now possibly facing life in prison don't give a shit about you arguing about the person that wrote a blog post about them. That is not the topic here. It's fine if you want to talk about how you don't like Rob or do like him or that he's abusive or whatever in a context that makes sense. That context is always OFFLINE and in the place where he is, in Oregon. I'm in New York, I don't need to be reading this shit.

The fact is, Rob here is bringing up very important points about supporting the accused in this alleged bomb plot. That is what we should be discussing. This is hard talk, words that are hard to hear given what they are accused of, but anarchists throughout history were not only accused of but actually did much worst things and they had movement chanting their names and supporting them.

A few points:

1. Don't believe the media or the government. Much of this story is very likely exaggerated or changed from what actually happened.
2. It doesn't matter if they're innocent or guilty.
3. It doesn't matter if we agree with their actions or not.
4. We must support comrades that go down, period. We can't abandon comrades just because we disagree with their actions. And yes, even if these actions involve taking what some might call "innocent" life. A lot of things take innocent life all the time are not problematized. Don't problematize people trying to strike back in some way against the system. Keep things in the proper perspective. The state wants to demonize these people as the worst creatures to ever crawl out of hell but we know that even if that were true, the greater crime would be the creatures from hell who have power politically and economically.
5. Finally, I'm personally not convinced these people are even anarchists because that's just what they've been called by the media which in the past has labeled even right-wing militia people as "anarchists." Wait until these people start to speak for themselves or put out statements. Then we'll see if they're actually anarchists. I'd like to take the media at their word on an identifier like that, but unfortunately in this confused country you really can't do that because the media doesn't know what the fuck an anarchist is.

I happen to be one of the women that Rob los Ricos has abused. Yes, I would indeed like the money and belongings that Rob stole from me, nearly $400 worth. Rob is not bad person. He is however, infinitly (sp?) fucked up. And I can tell you, as I and 7 other former supporters, male & female that not only is the above letter fact, he has continued his pattern since 2006. One woman tried to kill herself because Rob had deceived her so. This is not funny. He has left a devastation in his wake. Serious business. And he just does not care. He really, really does not care.

We loved him and trusted him. To repay us, he lied about having sex with other women. And passed on to all of us an STD. Which he, true to form, accused us of giving to HIM.

Such a fucking asshole. He can not be trusted!! And, if you male or female (he really struggles with coming out--perhaps one reason that he self medicates) have sex with him, DON'T BELIEVE A WORD HE SAYS AND USE PROTECTION!!!

@news = the last place to ask for your property back

Ok I am no Rob fan, but this comment is hilarious. Too-shay.

You happen to be intentionally trying to sideline a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with your petty love life.

Pathetic. Save this bullshit for the fucking therapy couch.

wait a minute, this dude got out of prison and fucked his entire support group, AND some other person with an STD?

teach me, rob.

yup, lol, that's pretty much it! no, to funny. and who the hell is this guy? rob Who?

Yeh thats wat i was thinking.
by the sounds of it it couldnt have happened to a bigger load of liberal handwringing tossers LOL!
fuck "supporters" (thats all there good for apparently...), be a fighter or fuck off

I know, right? That's our thing. Everyone fights. Not well, but together.

The rationalization and acceptance of cowardice ruined Anarchism, at least in the United States.

And I'd rather beat up Nazis or give you free food than fuck this Rob guy and then whine when his stank crackhead ass gives me herpes.

Again,not a Rob fan, but you too are hilarious. "Teach me..." Love it.

> Rob is not bad person.

> Such a fucking asshole.

lolwut

It certainly doesn't take a degree in psychology to see that Rob is the least of these people's problems.

The content of the responses rockets passed even simple contradiction like you pointed out, and blazes on in to fixation and neuroses.

I have a degree in psychology and I make coffee and sweep the floors at Starbucks.

Duh! What else would you do with that degree, besides custodial arts and psychoanalyzing @-news comments?

So... a woman tried to kill herself just because he lied about sleeping with other people, and *he's* the untrustworthy asshole? The only thing I hope he learns is to stay away from dating sheltered people.

"DON'T BELIEVE A WORD HE SAYS AND USE PROTECTION!!!"

Isn't this what they teach in elementary school *about everyone*? Is this really what you came here to say? Profound.

Ok, that does sound like 'serious business', wtf do you want anonymous @news commenters to do about it? Have you been on this site before? You are practically begging for ridicule, and no one here even has the means to help you. Sure, if you're right than I guess he's a prick but what do you want from us?

This is probably the third or fourth time I've seen them post hate against Rob. Who these people are, they have obvious issues with stalking him on the Internet. I think they are hoping someone out there will do their dirty work for them since he's still writing. But since they are lazy, I must say I like what he says, so until they off him, I hope to read more articles like this.

A few things.

Why do you think that by describing Rob's damaging behavior, someone is being hate full? I'm a lot younger than Rob and I was guilty of some of the same behavior with women when I was involved in forest defense. I learned quickly that this shit carries consequences. I was a manarchist and was appropriately labeled as one. It took a long time to gain any trust back.

Rob has hurt and continues to hurt people I love. When the first letter to activist women came out, I reached out to him. He blew me off.He also blew off a local publisher who reached out to him about getting him published. He fucked off a number of people who were willing to support and see him through. And if Rob denies any of this, well, he is a fucking liar.

I know for a fact that the people who are posting here to be cautious about Rob are not making things up to issue a vendetta. They have experienced his bullshit first hand or have seen with their own eyes the wreckage that Rob is responsible for, so don't attack them. He is still lying to and using women.

Also, I know that it is not only radical women who are issuing info about him.

Wombat, "Who these people are, they have obvious issues with stalking him on the Internet." You are so full of shit dude. There is NOTHING being said about Rob that fits the legal definition of stalking. Or libel or slander, for that matter. So check your fucking shit.

I have absolutely no idea why people are lashing out at these women for trying to spred the word. You would not think that a chronic abuser would receive such pampered treatment from anarchists. I don't think I saw a single sympathetic comment on here. The hell is wrong with you people? This is totally relevant if he's prowling around anarchist circles spreading STDs and stealing shit from people. That's not a fucking "comrade." And I think this kind of thing goes beyond a bad break up. C'mon guys get with it.

It's because it's not relevant to the discussion, and ironically shows exactly how fucked up anarchists are. I can't imagine going on facebook and any time one of my abusive exes posted anything, I said, "Fuck you! You are bastard! You owe me money and you gave me an STD!" I'm pretty sure I'd be profiled as a stalker.

Of all these people asking to focus on prisoner support rather than Rob, NO ONE is talking about prisoner support. So stop the bullshit. Either acknowledge these women's exploitation or talk about prisoner support. Or don't acknowledge them and talk about prisoner support. Or express how you think they shouldn't post these things so publically and talk about prisoner support. But for fuck sake don't degrade them for speaking out AND not talk about prisoner support. It's just stupid.

"WAAA WAAAA I HAVE AN STD AND SOMEONE TO BLAME IT ON WAAAAA!!!"

You know who should be whining? These people facing life in prison. And no, I'm not saying you don't have a right to complain, but you do not have a right to complain when the topic of discussion is people facing life in prison. Not staying on topic might be annoying in most instances, but in this instance it's incredibly disrespectful and selfish. Who gives a shit who wrote the article. The topic is not the author, but the content which is very important, much more important than your comparatively petty bullshit. I said "comparatively". Fucking read. And yes, COMPARATIVELY it is fucking petty bullshit.

THEN FUCKING WRITE ABOUT THE PRISONERS, YOU FUCKING IDIOT, INSTEAD OF WRITING ABOUT WRITING ABOUT THE PRISONERS.

omfg.

and yes, i do talk to people in real life like that.

sigh.

You think people this unsympathetic bunch you speak of would "pamper" rob?

I wouldn't "pamper" rob even if he WAS a "good" person. I'd have fire for his ass, too. That doesn't change the fact that there are ridiculous and fucked elements of these "call outs," especially that it lacked regard for prisoner struggle.

Having bad shit happen to you does not absolve you from having your reactions and perspectives critiqued... In fact, there are times I've been so fucked over, that I was unable to react rationally and fairly to the situation, and criticism that sided my state of sensitivity was extremely helpful. This fucking "victim immunity" bullshit is an ideological coddling in direct contradiction to plenty of other suggestible and viable psychological approaches.

I didn't put the warning to women up, by the way. If it should not be up, it should be taken down. Not surprised that it has been resurrected. Not at all. No one should be.

ugh shut up already
just beat him up and steal his money if its such a big fucking deal

WTF! not all this fuckin adhominum fuckin shit again over and fuckin over hasnt these fuckin drama queens fuckin made sum fuckin solution to their fuckin domestic opera and is rob gonna be hounded for fuckin eternity I just get a fuckin disguise and go to another fuckin country?,..,8ball

>not all this fuckin adhominum fuckin shit again

Some people have to live with other people in real live communities. Not just in theory.

>I just get a fuckin disguise and go to another fuckin country

Yes please.

freedom of choice and retribution so DO IT with vivid fuckin payback!,.,8ball

I thought the 'PATRIOT ACT' & 'homegrown terrorist act' already turned us into terrorists.
As soon as 9/11 happened we were deemed as terrorists. This ain't new.

Also, I may not 'get' the bridge action, but still, there is hypocrisy in those who say
MAKE TOTAL DESTROY*

*except for bridges.

Yeah, but besides the rhetoric what most @s really mean is "MAKE PARTIAL DESTROY (of easy targets whose being attacked doesn't affect us in anyway and doesn't have the potential to hurt/negatively affect anyone ever because want to win hearts and minds and all that shit)"

As soon as something uncomfortable comes up, like the chances that people might actually be affected by an action (ie. not being able to cross a bridge or stuck on a collapsing bridge) solidarity tends to evaporate faster than spit on a hot sidewalk. Or the whole discussion gets sidelined by some woman who wants the entire anarchist community at large to know about and discuss her traumatic sex life.

Can't we all just get along?

--Rodney

Nope.

So Rob is a Manarchist?

MANARCHY!!!

No, no, no. Rob is BEYOND MANARCHIST. He's a real brogressive. A member of the lumpenbroletariate. I could go on.

If the term 'manarchist' was ever used in a serious way - (was it supposed to be a bash against mysogynist men, or calling anarchism some kind of theory that is stupid? I could never tell) - it has, in 2012, lost all credibility as a term. It's a new form of trolling (if it wasn't already). And is just as original of a comment as 'newspaper boxes in the street!'.

There is an egoist newspaper...

But are there egoist newspaper boxes in the street?

hey assholes who'd rather talk about how Rob is fucked up than how the state is trying to railroad and entrap 5 people into decades long prison sentences on bullshit trumped up charges because the people are anarchists:
ANARCHY: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

This ARTICLE is about the guys whose entire lives are being ruined by right-wing prosecuters trying to make a career advancement out of destroying their entire lives. if you're interested in writing and submitting an article about how Rob did something terrible and all the Anons on @news should write mean comments about him or whatever the fuck you expect us to do, please submit an article.

but bringing this up and distracting from the discussion about the Cleveland people's cases is FUCKED UP when they are facing DECADES IN PRISON and need all the support they can get.

CHECK YOURSELF AND YOUR PRIVILEGE TO MAKE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PROBLEMS. THE CLEVELAND PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON SO DO NOT HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE.

Moralism for the win!

Again, no idea why people are focused on degrading those trying to spread the word about this guy. It's relevant, this is his article, it's a site for the anarchist community, that's it. No one's saying, "Rob's an asshole AND WE SHOULD REVOKE SUPPORT FOR THE CLEVELAND PRISONERS!" So get off that high horse and if you want to talk about the prisoners, go ahead. Why would you denounce discussion about the author's character when it's obviously relevant and important to his community?

How can you still have no idea when people have clearly explained it so many damn times? Do you actually read these concise explanations? People have said over and over that we can talk about Rob when there's an article written about fucking Rob. It shouldn't overshadow or sideline this discussion.

There are like 3 comments here about what the article is actually talking about (which happens to be way more serious than a reminder that abusive people with STDs need to be dealt with), do you not see that as a problem? If you were in prison and the discussion about solidarity with you was being pushed aside by this stuff how would you feel?

>People have said over and over that we can talk about Rob when there's an article written about fucking Rob.

Yes, because @news discussions are always so impeccably on topic. They're also sooo important. Rob's exploits wouldn't have any place on the floor of the UN, but it ranks among the most relevant stuff posted on @news.

>If you were in prison and the discussion about solidarity with you was being pushed aside by this stuff how would you feel?

Probably wouldn't be bothered that people are trying to deal with problems in their own communities, seeing as how I'm not a total egomaniac.

If you don't want to talk about Rob then talk about prisoner support, don't yak about how you don't want other people to yak about Rob.

"Probably wouldn't be bothered that people are trying to deal with problems in their own communities, seeing as how I'm not a total egomaniac."

Interesting... I've had shit stolen by partners, and had a partner give me an STD without telling me when they knew they had it.

Am I allowed to say "I'm not bothered by the people criticizing these "warnings" as problematic because I'm not a total egomaniac."?

Would you even allow for my *shared experiences* of what's described in the call-out to legitimately arm me with abrasive criticism like "this is egomaniacal bullshit"?

Some of us who have had fucked up shit happen to us can't relate to these reactions and methods, and have *every* reason to see and call these reactions and methods petty, relative to our own perspectives and approaches.

Shut the fuck up, Rob.

Lol, wow Rob is prolific, it's amazing first he was me now he's that dude. Y'know I'm starting to think the only people on this thread are Rob and his support group(ies) and the rest of us just exist in our own imaginations (like the 5 prisoners this discussion was supposed to be about). Cool.

you're wrong.
-the author of the comment you replied to, who is NOT Rob.

kthxfucku.

I got called rob, too. I don't even know who he is, and had never heard of him until this.

I will continue as usual with my life, doing my best to avoid, without stupid unverifiable warnings, being stolen from, lied to, and screwed over. I will not always be successful, and I do not care.

I'd rather this alleged fuck-up be writing this kind of thing than not, whether the fucked up things change or not.

I can't help but see striking parallels in these warnings/call-outs to the very basic apprehensions that are suggested/taught in grade-school.

"Wear a condom, because you never know! Also, some diseases are prevented by condoms. Some people will take advantage of you, so be cautious of people who might have advantages to take of you. Unfortunately, sometimes, people will end up taking belongings and money from you, and that is hard to deal with."

WOW THANKS FOR THE FUCKING INSIGHT MS. 6th GRADE TEACHER, WHERE WOULD THE POOR OLD FRAGILE VULNERABLE WEAK FEMALES BE WITHOUT YOU

These call outs could possibly avoid sounding so god damn condescending towards women if they weren't loaded with the sordid self-importance...

I will continue as usual with my life, doing my best to avoid, without stupid unverifiable warnings, being stolen from, lied to, and screwed over. I will not always be successful, and I do not care.

1. Rob posts an article that might of value.
2. Someone points out that no matter what, Rob's opinion is shit because he seduced some people, stole money and is a drug addict.
3. Thus, a convicted felon is not allowed to talk about repression.

This is how we know the anarchists aren't serious. If you aren't COINTELPRO, you're
doing their work for them.

No, ROB does COINTELPRO to himself. You have no idea. The insanely reckless shit that he has done. It is stunning to know that he has been back to jail 4 times since his release. Embarrassingly stupid shit, nothing revolutionary, believe me (us).

Do you know Rob? Hung out with him for a few years?

That should read ..."been back to jail *only* 4 times...

No and I will probably never meet him and don't care. Do you know my abusive asshole ex? You don't? Well that's probably cause they have nothing to do with you and I am not an ego-maniac. Holy fuck, if he's such a dick just kill him already, anything so you can stop spamming this board with this crap.

>Holy fuck, if he's such a dick just kill him already

This is the conclusion I came to as well. Grow some balls, men and wummun wronged by Rob.

"grow some balls." Fucking sexists!!! And you know, this is something that Rob would say.

Mysogynists Unite!!

To be perfectly honest, I don't know Rob and I don't know you. However, I'm pretty sure you've done some fucked up shit in your life, too. Therefore: your words must now be erased, the same way you wish to erase Rob's words on police repression, because doing fucked-up shit=censorship. Cool. Either come out and confess your sins or your words on Rob are useless.

"nothing revolutionary" GUESS FUCKING WHAT?? YOU don't get to define which prisoner or actions, etc are revolutionary or not, and I don't care if he got caught stealing a crack pipe, it is more interesting than your miserable life that leads you to want to tell anyone this bullshit anyways. I can't believe that this is even being taken seriously...suddenly it's not moralistic and fucking idiotic to CONDEMN and ask that others also condemn anyone for having lots of sex, using ANY substance, and stealing? GTFO

Fuck yeah! Ill fuckin totally confir with that fuckin comment,,,AND your refreshing sentiments,,, youre a fuckin real anarchist dude!.,.,8ball

haha, "8-ball"? cool made up ex-con name bro.

Mental health problems they must be worked with and understood.

1. Solidarity with affinity groups who call-out abusers and warn the larger community.
2. Solidarity with these idiots who got railroaded in to another contrived spook "bomb-plot"
(I mean that, I support them even tho they're clearly ... totally fucking retarded)

Do I even need to mention they (the fbi) been doing this shit to brown folks for 10 solid years already?
Probably longer! but I mean they've been overtly obviously manipulating stupid extremists in north america into bad hollywood movie-plot type "conspiracies" and then parading them in front of the press to justify the police state FOR 10 YEARS now.

Without trying to rank these two issues in order of importance because that concept is so bizarre -

I want to stress that I totally support safer spaces and initiatives like the ones taken by these folks.
We just had a similar incident play itself out in my town.
A lot of people need to TRY HARDER to get their heads around gender politics before dismissing this stuff out of hand.

Truth is, the discussion we can have online about how the fbi manipulates idiots is going to be much less useful than a dialogue about misogyny and abuse. The solution to the former is like - don't buy explosives from cops?!?!?!

The solutions to the second thing? Way more complicated.

revolutionary struggle? way more complicated than your simplistic identity politics:
http://www.anarchistnews.org/content/who-oakland-anti-oppression-activis...

You know what, its really fucking clear that the same two people are posting all over this article. And since I'm anonymous and am utterly annoyed with this stupidity I'm gonna say:

I AM GLAD MR RICOS FUCKED YOU OVER, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR GOD DAMNED MIND

I'm not "glad," but it's hard not to agree with the "out of your god damned mind" observation.

Will all you hysterical women just shut the fuck up and give me a little piece of mind?

-Rob

Hysterical? Sexist much? I love that you show others what and who you are with just one little sentence.

No Rob. YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Expect us.

You been trolled sister.

>> Hysterical? Sexist much? I love that you show others what and who you are with just one little sentence.

wow, so using the term "hysterical" makes one sexist? holy fucking shit, the level of discourse here is degrading beyond what even my 3rd grade reading level can put up with. i gotta stop reading comments on @news, they are 99% useless at this point.

i did NOT write that!

rob los ricos

Concerncing the Cleveland 5 I would suggest the following:

We not engage the discourse offered to us. This is a time for us to have a conversation about the FBI and the State's involvement in instigating and then solving its own terrorist plots. No amount of hand wringing or casting of our own "terrorist" labels will help us in the eyes of the general pubic.

When asked what to say of those arrested I think we have already an adequate idea. When people are isolated and sad they often do stupid and desperate things. Some people get married, some begin drinking, some kill themselves and some get tricked by the FBI. We can have empathy for these people as human beings. Does this mean we support these actions? No, but we too know the misery of daily life and also have acted without thinking. Luckily it is most often with less terrible consequences or potential for harm of others.

Though are tactics may diverge, one must in the end always side with what is human against capitalism that makes us into monsters.

Who is doing prisoner support for these kids?

wombat, I CHOOSE YOU!!!! Use Dig!

"When people are isolated and sad they often do stupid and desperate things."

Depends what you mean by "stupid" doesn't it. You could call the anarchist comrades who gave their lives killing heads of state and members of the ruling class "stupid" and "desperate." You could call many (most?) anarchist and other fighters now as "stupid" and "desperate". Fuck off. Whos got the plan of the right thing to do? You? Yeh rite... So fuck off with your psychiatrist soft-cop talk.

The dignified anarchist attitude would be not to publicly criticize these comrades (or talk about them if you've got nothing positive to say or do), firstly. this does not mean criticism does not happen, simply not in public (eg the internet!). Those who feel an affinity with these comrades should act and speak out as they see fit.

and to these crying 'support group' - shut up you fucking bitches LOL Id give a hundred of you types for a few "crazy assholes" (your words, not mine!) like the Cleveland 5 (and comrade Rob los Ricos).

SOLIDARITY FROM PRISON ISLAND UK

"Whos got the plan of the right thing to do? You?"

I have no plan, but I am skeptical that blowing up bridges will get us out of this.

"The dignified anarchist attitude would be not to publicly criticize these comrades (or talk about them if you've got nothing positive to say or do), firstly. this does not mean criticism does not happen, simply not in public (eg the internet!). Those who feel an affinity with these comrades should act and speak out as they see fit."

I don't believe in dignity. I believe in getting down and dirty. I'm not going to fit into your program of only having public statements of slogans.
"Do not speak against the party line" the fascist says.

"and to these crying 'support group' - shut up you fucking bitches LOL Id give a hundred of you types for a few "crazy assholes" (your words, not mine!) like the Cleveland 5 (and comrade Rob los Ricos)."

No one said crazy asshole. When you get arrested and want some bail money you might want people to help you out.

"SOLIDARITY FROM PRISON ISLAND UK"

You show it with all capital letters and a post on the internet?
I would trade a thousand comments like yours for support groups if I were facing the charges the Cleveland 5 will face.

Did you read the list of stupid things? "Some people get married, some begin drinking, some kill themselves and some get tricked by the FBI."

None of those are even about blowing up bridges or killing heads of state. The reference to the Cleveland 5 says they were stupid for getting tricked by the FBI.

I graduated high school last year, so I'm not sure if this is professional wrestling or this person got fucked.

This is my first year in college (studying to become a vet) so I just wanted to tell you guys still in 11th grade that yeah
I'm still an anarchist, but I'm not really touched or hurt by all the lies and gossip you spread about me at school anymore.

I want you to keep that in mind if you try to contact me.

Some of you have contacted me recently, so I just wanted to remind you.

Let's talk about the severe mental illness of the comrade from chicago...I have not spoken to this person for several months now, nor have tried to contact him...tonight I received several phone calls which I ignored. About 5 minutes ago I received a bizarre and terrifying text from him referring to events that have never happened and saying it was a "now a legal matter" and other highly disturbing batshit things.

I am writing this here, knowing it may be erased (I will be documenting it elsewhere of course) because I am literally afraid this person is going to murder me.

Wow. I sincerely hope you don't get murdered but this seems pretty vague and dramatic. You seem like kind of an asshole who probably abuses people by playing the victim at every chance you get and making everyone who doesn't drop whatever they're doing to console you, rescue you, or figure out what the fuck you are even talking about look like a heartless asshole. How long does that work before you have to pick a new name, move to another town and tell everyone you were escaping all the people who are tired of your shit?

Not that you're never in danger. If you're really on your game you'll get yourself in some real sketchy shit. I hope it all turns out OK but if you could hop in your time machine and fuck off back to the late '90s early '00s that would be great. Fuck the biggest shithead at an Earth First rondy and spend the rest of the year making cut and paste zines about it and putting illegible scans up on the internet. Have great fucking time.

Whoever you are, I'm just sad for you. There's nothing vague about it. I'm dealing with a mentally ill and very abusive person who is sending me threatening messages that make no sense. I've never had sex with this person - is not an ex-boyfriend - this isn't a revenge scenario, I was just scared.

This is probably written by him or one of his fucked up "friends"...very sad.

And this is pretty much the subtext of what the cops would say if I went to them. Congrats on doing their job for them. I really needed some more blame for people attacking and stalking me, thanks.

And you can shove your "I hope you don't get murdered" straight up your fucking ass - obviously you don't care.

I've been to Chicago like three times in my whole life, I have no Idea who "the comrade from Chicago" is. You're posting anonymously, no one here knows who you are or who you're talking about. There's no connection between anarchist news and Facebook and there isn't shit a bunch of random people all over the world can do to rescue you from whatever the fuck is going on.

These messages are exceedingly vague. You haven't said what kind of "threats" you've received or in what way this person is "mentally ill". Sucks that you're having problems but anarchists aren't super heroes, we can't just put on some tights and fly to your unknown location to beat up some people we don't know based on your say-so and you are flipping out and guilting everyone who can't or won't help you. I don't know you and I don't know what's going on here but it fits a pattern(to a tee) of stupid dramatic bullshit in the "anarchist" "community" that I want nothing to do with and will not abide. It's the kind of shit that drives off everyone but nutters and people who want to manipulate weak, confused or otherwise vulnerable individuals.

I hope you find a safe place to recover from whatever the fuck happened but there's nothing anyone here could do for you even if they wanted. You might as well be seeking help from 4chan. The folks on the gun board might at least have some relevant advice.

...And here's the psychologist the cops send in to lie to you, and protect the abuser s

How could you know what my job is unless you're stalking me?

I'm sensing a lot of anger, have you had trouble controlling your emotions lately?

I want to draw attention to this exchange. It is precisely this behavior that caused the holocaust and all other devastating tragedies of humanity.

This is why sometimes I hope we become extinct.

I want to add that if this person actually does know who I am I hope they are brutally murdered. Its deserved.

I thought this was a clever parody, but now its a pathetic example of the disempowered individual within the patriachal society unable to be empowered or selfdefensive, a mirror of the capitalist consciousness. The solution to your problem is in you, arm yourself and let loose your instinctual furies, or all is lost.

You're a parody and a pathetic example of a sociopath who. Works in academia and lives in the suburbs. This should actually be in a cartoon bubble over your head.

Sociopathology IS the craze now amongst the liberals, its ironic that you use a term that originated from privileged academic bourgeois idealism and was adopted by the statist mental health institutions as a classification for undesirables within the western capitalist society, yet a politician can launch a missile which destroys hundreds of innocent lives with impunity, and NOT be described as 'sociopathic'.
You sound like a cop, or else someone who bears the weight of a world of neurotic sensitivities concerning petty delusions, and I hope that you become aware of the nature of binary relationships and how dominance can be erased simply by a conscious deployment of counter threat and selfdefensive violence.

You're so pathetic. What won't you say to try to "win" an argument for the status quo?

I wish it was possible to suggest that you read the dictionary more often, like, just in general, and have it received as a kind, honest suggestion.

Just like... read it. Just look up words, and the words in those definitions, and so on. Just try doing that more. See what happens.

You know??

I'm not saying it's NEEDED. I'm just suggesting you try it.

Oh come on clutching at straws are we? That sort of question is negatively hypothetical, but to appease your mounting hysteria I shall answer it,,,I wouldn't say that I was a serial killer or the member of a radical political group if I wished to dine with the bourgeoisie, but anyway, I would already realise the futility of having discourse with representatives of any status quo, because I loath democracy and its sycophants.

If you put both the above responses together they're almost like the greatest unwritten early billy joel ever.

Abusive people have many different MOs and this is one of them. If the troll here were to find a safe place and be ready to defend themselves that would be it and either nothing would happen or something serious would happen and people would have to answer for it. If they make vague accusations and slanders over the internet they can maintain a level of deniability about their intent to harm or manipulate others while building a base of supporters who think they're saving a pwecious weak wittle victim. We've all seen cops flip out about fake threats so they can bust heads and repress people, not to mention soak up overtime digging through trash and surveiling random harmless newsbox tossers.

We've also all read the breakdown about how every narc or provacateur was a relentless shit-stirrer and how important it is not to put up with that crap.

But the whole of society is a troll if you look deeply into relationships! Didn't you know that?

Okay lieutenant propaganda.

I'm not too worried about demonization and what-not. Typically anarchists are in the news for a short span, then disappear. Police keep tabs on anarchists as they would criminal gangs and other law enforcement/intelligence (FBI, ATF, NSA, Homeland Security etc.) may target certain groups and individuals within the anarchist milieu, no matter if we are the spectacle of the week or not. This is to be expected.

What does worry me is anarchists scapegoating other anarchists as a threat to what they are doing. This cowardice has a far deeper impact than what law enforcement typically does. Anarchists with deep associations in left milieus and hip scenes tend to be the most easily persuaded to turn on clandestines, forcing us to create narratives where we are percieved as weak in some way to justify our activities in the moment. It isn't because we are staging offensives...it is because we have personal issues, the government represses excessively, socio-economic stratification is deepening. This too is recuperation, pulling our actions back into acceptable leftist/liberal narratives.

We don't need to justify our offensives. We did it because we want to destroy the present order and that alone should be sufficient an explanation for why we do what we do.

Wait, is this supposed to be a justification for the mentally ill abusive person who is sending me threatening messages - or for the person or persons who have been stalking me on facebook, and elsewhere? I really hope not. Trying to justify people who are just sick and abusive as "doing anarchy" is pretty fucking pathetic and an affront to actual anarchists.

Both of you have serious issues with stalking me and lovingslashating me. You are both fixated and obsessed in a sick way that needs to end...true, in one case I have returned that obsession, and have done many things I regret. in the case of the comrade from chicago-i have done nothing to that person I am ashamed of, and his ire and lies are completely unwarranted. And let's not forget the other female stalker (wait now there's two!) Who have serious jealousy issues and who will do and say "anything" to get brownie points in whatver system they're a part of... It needs to end. I thought maybe we could work this out but obviously that was not sincere on stalker number 1's behalf... I didn't write the message last night to get pity - I wrote it to document, fight back, and hopefully make it stop.

In conclusion I want to say, you're acting like cops. As far as I'm concerned _ you're cops.

I'm responding to the points Rob brought up. The most interesting man in the world. I don't always read the articles before I post, but when I do, I post about destruction.

You know that thing you did earlier where you deflected criticism from people who wanted to talk about the arrests in Cleveland instead of your personal problems and you we're all like "well talk about it then!"

That's what's happening here. Not everything is about you.

Okay, it would be nice to not be in the dark. And the std comment that was lobbed my way was what exactly?? I don't know who "rob" is - but the person from chicago needs to FUCK OFF. And anyone who threatens my safety or lies about me - be ready. I'm the wrong mother to fuck with.

>Okay, it would be nice to not be in the dark. And the std comment that was lobbed my way was what exactly?? I don't know who "rob" is - but the person from chicago needs to FUCK OFF

WAT?

You probably know more than anyone about what's going on in this conversation.

Honestly, I have three interpretations of this conversation. I am a paranoid person and in many cases it has served me well. Either someone really got "fucked" . Someone is projecting their fears of diseased evil females into cyberspace in an extended duet with themselves . Or the whole thing is professional wrestling ie "mock the situation start a website" etc - featuring some wrestlers who aren't really as righteous as they think they are.

Either way, its gross. I wouldn't have enmeshed myself in it so much if I weren't threatened last night.

This still makes no sense.

What did this threat have to do with anything here?
Are you not the one calling out Rob and flipping shit here?
Could you stop being deliberately confusing and reiterating that you totally got threatened and stuff.
Are you trying to be incomprehensible or are you just stupid?

You're stupid if you think I am at all flustered by your mock-stupidity.

WUT?

For the record I stopped hoping you don't get murdered.

10/10 if your a troll because even if that's the case I kind of hope you get murdered.

"Anarchists with deep associations in left milieus and hip scenes tend to be the most easily persuaded to turn on clandestines, forcing us to create narratives where we are percieved as weak in some way to justify our activities in the moment. It isn't because we are staging offensives...it is because we have personal issues, the government represses excessively, socio-economic stratification is deepening. This too is recuperation, pulling our actions back into acceptable leftist/liberal narratives."

Thats it. Uncontrollables for the destruction of civilisation!!!

- Anarchist nihilist

Dave,,there's a hole in your earth suit,,,,would you like me to repair it?,,,or do you prefer the vacuum of mute isolationism?

"What does worry me is anarchists scapegoating other anarchists as a threat to what they are doing."

I am with you on this but discussion of tactics, like whether or not the vanguard party works, is not "scapegoating" exactly. I don't care whether or not it hurts "anarchist projects" or whatnot. It is more that planning to blow up things with strangers is stupid and gets you fucked. Blowing up things might be stupid too.

"Anarchists with deep associations in left milieus and hip scenes tend to be the most easily persuaded to turn on clandestines, forcing us to create narratives where we are percieved as weak in some way to justify our activities in the moment."

We are not only perceived as weak. We are weak.

"it is because we have personal issues, the government represses excessively, socio-economic stratification is deepening."

Why are we on the offensive if not for "personal issues"?

"We did it because we want to destroy the present order and that alone should be sufficient an explanation for why we do what we do."

I guess. Why do we want to destroy the present order though? Why are so many paragraphs at the beginning of each report back and analysis about the misery of daily life?

The death of the author has all been turned topsy-turvy, Barthes would be rolling in his grave.

Hey Mutha fuckah!

Still love me?

Yeaaaaahhhh.

Ya know it.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foF5j4jMTI8

this is rob los ricos -

first of all, the article above contains a short history of the haymarket incident which led to the execution of four prominent anarchist labor organizers. they were with the knights of labor, not the a.f.l., which is a sell-out, back-stabbing bunch of mobsters.

also, yes - i done bad after i got out of prison.

as i told the women i had done wrong then - after i made sure we were all talking about this together - extortion is not the same as accountability. one of the people who posted alleged details of my wrong-doings here recently e-mailed me and demanded money, or i'd be sorry. gotta say, the extortion thing is still not feeling "anarchist" or somehow connected to doing something for some vague sense of "community."

i wrote a zine all about my experiences in the first three months after i'd been released, and posted it to the zine library about a month ago, if anyone's curious:

http://zinelibrary.info/files/city-of-doom.pdf

what have i been up to? glad you asked.

okay - so i'm in a committed relationship, and have been for almost four years now - and, no it doesn't mean i don't still have issues concerning monogamy, though i've learned to be up-front with them. oh, yeah - i could really just give a flying fuck about laws. seriously. anarchist!

i spend summers and much of the fall in the forests of cascadia, preventing old-growth forests from being clearcut. this could be my fourth year doing this.

the group i work with uses laws about habitat protection to force the forest service to cancel timber sales in national forest and BLM land.

and, of course, i spend the rest of the year trying to scrape up enough money to go out again.

if you want to know more about that incident, it's in the zine referenced above.

someone made an attempt to start a discussion about strategy in these comments, and that would be a great topic to have some discussion about.

large bridges are difficult to bring down or otherwise do significant damage to. there are targets that are more appropriate and that would send a stronger message to the enemy.

i'm not keen on collateral damage, either. the e.l.f. was winning people over because they hadn't killed anyone. the a.l.f. still inspires admiration for their history of non-lethal sabotage.

a final word about personal shit -

i'm working on my shit the best i can, given the pressures of the police and poverty.

Wow. Sounds pretty dramatic. I sincerely hope you aren't extorted from by any more women, don't die in poverty, or have to go back to prison for a long time. You seem like the kind of narcissistic basketcase who everyone gets sick of, and thinks is just a jerk. Always looking for another woman to save you, or at least entertain you on the internet. I sincerely hope you dont have to change your name and leave town. I wish I was some kind of superhero in a big black. Cape for suicides or something. I guess I tried to warn you, but it didn't matter, and we all know nothing does except my fake life and my absurd snobbery.

"as i told the women i had done wrong then - after i made sure we were all talking about this together - extortion is not the same as accountability. one of the people who posted alleged details of my wrong-doings here recently e-mailed me and demanded money, or i'd be sorry. gotta say, the extortion thing is still not feeling "anarchist" or somehow connected to doing something for some vague sense of "community."

You are a lying motherfucker. We both know that you earn well during harvest. As I said, I could not think of a better time to get the hundreds of dollars that you stole from me. You had the money. And you blew me off. This is not about extortion. It is about you doing the right thing. But, I guess that's a hard thing to you when you as you are a sociopathic piece of shit.

And I have the emails as evidence that I did not use extortion.

You are so fucking stupid, Rob. Unbelievably stupid.I also want you to replace the hundreds of dollars worth of books that you stole from me and sold to Powell's to get crack money. Also, you left out the part where I made sure that Powell's had your picture ID on file so that you could not sell anymore books there.

And City of Doom is a piece of shit. But great fiction, as NONE of it is anywhere near the truth. You also left out the part about breaking into my apartment.

More to come....

hahahahah you're such a loser, get over this shit. jesus christ.

who gives a fuck about your stupid money

i've cut so many losses like the ones described, and not only do I not lose sleep over shit that's a big bummer, but I still can't relate to handling it like this at all. It's fuckin goofy.

"Wahhh i got ripped off!"... join the club, chump, it's capitalism, it's life. Get over your belongings, and get over this crazy dude's life.

SHUT THE FUCK UP

Hey asshole, in a relationship for 4 years, huh? how many times in the past 4 yeaars (and up to a few months ago) has your gf P****** frantically called in tears with:

*Have you seen Rob?
*He isn't where he said he was going to be and I'm worried...and you know why...(white powders)
*He has money and I am afraid he is going to look for a prostitute to party with.
*He doesn't have money (for crack, meth), but he has things he can sell (anything he can get his hands on)...
*He just accused me of beating him up in a bar and walked away, screaming at me...I didn't lay a hand on him! I have witnesses!
*He scares the crap out of mee, telling me that I do things that I never did...
*He misremembers things, like swearing up and down that shit happened, or that I did shit to him...he freaks me the fuck out!
*Did he do this stuff with you? I don't know what to do...

Yeah, paranoia will anoy ya. Crack and meth = psychotic breakdowns.

Welcome to Rob's world, folks. And Rob, if some jerk treated your daughter like you have treated P****** for the past 4 years, what would you say to her?

I'm no particular fan of Rob's, but I am a sex worker, and seriously, will you stop it with the "prostitute" shit?

I am a prostitute and I am also a parent and a son and an anarchist and a million other things and my job doesn't denigrate my humanity.

Nope. Will not.

If you can't hang with the context in which the prostitute runs throughout this narrative, then stay the fuck out of this discussion.

And seriously, this particular prostitute gives whores a bad name.....

Read the fuckin hover, alienation is a fuckin capo tool, were all walking on a fuckintightrope over what is this fuckin societies definition of non fuckin compliance, and call it psychotic reaction, don't fuckin single out drugs/prison but look at the big fuckin picture,,,AND rico just hasnt reached the fuckin state of uberanarchism yet but hes grasping the mechanisms and probably learnin the fuckin dynamics of relationships after being a fuckin outcast fir most of his lost fuckin life incarcerated in isolation,,,AND hey anyone who says they never been fuckin lost is a fuckin liar simple,,,AND I been a fuckin angel but someone is even jealous of my own fuckin strength and their critique is all a fuckin projection of their own fuckin complexs!,,.8ball

Wow. This is insane, M****** G****.

I believe that I am probably the person you are referring to as "P***." Please do not refer to me as that. Please do not ever write my name online. Please do not refer to me online in any public forum, ever.

I am not going to respond to these things you say here, because your many accusations regarding the two people about whom you are ranting about DO NOT BELONG IN A PUBLIC FORUM. Therefore, I refuse to discuss any of this madness with you in ANY PUBLIC FORUM, EVER.

If you would like to talk to me or the author of this article (which you have so inappropriately trolled), the proper way to deal with this is NOT AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. It is one on one. Directly. If you have a problem with someone, you should probably talk to them directly, if you want to fix it. (You have NOT tried to talk to me one on one. I have nothing to do with the issues you have brought up on this message board. What you have done here, I would call "slander")

DO NOT speak for other people. Do not speak for me, especially not in a public forum. I have nothing to do with you or your accusations.

Please do not speak of me in any public forum EVER again. (I do not even want a reply to this message) If you have an issue with me, I know you know how to contact me.

Thank you.

If J*** K** had any idea what Rob has been up to for the past four years behind her back, she would slit her fucking wrists.

Stupid begets stupid. In the flesh.

Ya heard.

N.E.S.T and your etsy store--you would have none of this were it not for P******. Or that van that you live in. How kindly have you repaid her?

When was the last time you wiped your own ass, Rob los Locos?

Shit. This discussion sure did get fucking infiltrated by some random ass shit, didn't it y'all?

Anyway, I can't agree with the line that these guys were acting out of isolation or somehow deranged. I can't say that I've ever wanted to blow up a bridge, but how many times have I said that if I had a rocket launcher, some motherfucker would die? All it would take would be the right FBI sting at the right time and any of us could have been in their place. So maybe it was an FBI setup, but we can't blame the FBI either because we have volition of our own.

The fmessage is to be strong, but be careful, be smart, and be wreckful.

Good luck to everyone in Ohio and beyond.

her lingerie! she wants it back!

lighten up, people!! its only the internet!

RlR=MISOGYNIST PIG

He also suck ass. And enjoys it.

And, Muslims? Immigrants?

So typical of Tunell Vision los Locos to focus on a white, privileged "marginalized" group.

Why doesn't he write about those who have long been labeled terrorists simply because of their ethnicity, religion or place of origin?

This asshole is truly a waste of space, is he not????

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worker i know drama brings lots of traffic but you're an asshole in this specific case.

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