by thecollective Jun 11, 2023

Recently there was a big convergence in the u.s. for what some might call libertarian health workers (libertarian in the european sense) , mixing anarchists with other folks of an anti-status quo persuasion.

Hearing friends talk about their experience at this event, and having opinions about decisions made explicitly or tacitly by the organizers, I found myself both happy that the convergence happened, and disappointed that the event was repeating some errors that made things harder for presenters, and somewhat incoherent for participants.

That said, organizing events only gets harder these days, and full respect for folks who are doing the work. Since people tend not to do public report backs ( #sadface), why not take this opportunity to give constructive feedback on events you’ve been to, recently or not, including what was good (and what you’d like to see again), as well as how you’d do things differently.

Ps: comments complaining about mask requirements will be removed unless they’re actually funny, and that will be my decision ALONE, mwah ha ha ahaaha.

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Voltairine de … (not verified) Sun, 06/11/2023 - 20:51

What event was this, exactly? It sounds awesome but I have buried my head ass-ward and know nothing of events either recent or current

anon (not verified) Sun, 06/11/2023 - 21:09

It is the event the expressionist painting depicts on this page. It is a convergence of woke-consciousness folk upon a forest wilderness they have been text messaged the map coordinates of, somewhere in Alabama. It is the -- HAVE FUN BEING TOTALLY NUDE WHILST JERKING OFF THE PERSON NEXT TO YOU -- club. Where have you been?

anon (not verified) Mon, 06/12/2023 - 03:44

"for what some might call libertarian health workers"

"libetarian" as used outside the US, or, ideologue of rampant market relations uber alles? Given what health care is like in the United States it's difficult to imagine anyone other than an insurance industry executive defining their approach to health care in these terms.

Gibbon (not verified) Mon, 06/12/2023 - 17:11

The last “event” I went to was a screening of my own film in an all-ages anarchist space in a bougie city. A room full of people all ended up walking out during the movie. One by one, two by two. Awkwardly, kind of shamefully even. On the one hand, it was really funny. And the story makes people want to watch the movie, which is even funnier. On the other hand, a part of me is so curious what people didn’t like and craves genuine, interesting conflict. What ever happened to heckling? The event just felt lifeless. I wanted someone to just stand up and say “hey this movie sucks for this reason! Fuck yall!” Maybe this is my fault for making a boring movie. But it would have been sick if even just one person felt up to saying “this is boring” before walking out. Also shoutout to the one girl who stayed.

anonymous (not verified) Mon, 06/12/2023 - 18:33

yeah, people leaving without saying why would def bug me. at the bastard conference there would be surveys that had a variety of questions and people would get harassed to fill them out, and oen of the qstns was always "what was worst" about the day... but there had to be someone at the door doing the harassing, so... doesnt' make sense for every event.

anon (not verified) Mon, 06/12/2023 - 22:59

It was like watching a yacht race through cheap binoculars, in a bouncing dingy, on a stormy day, Boring, tense, frustrating,,,

Philomena (not verified) Tue, 06/13/2023 - 00:49

in a subculture that challenges the production->consumption loop, we still attend gatherings and things with the disposition of a person looking to be entertained or to receive a return on an investment, instead of taking some level of personal responsibility for what happens in our own lives while at this event. Like if something feels boring, why don’t you make it less boring by mixing things up or doing something you wish would happen.

If an event is disappointing because you were looking for insight and didn’t get it, that’s understandable to me, but if all it was was boring, I mean, then do something cool.

anon (not verified) Tue, 06/13/2023 - 01:20

"Personal responsibility" is a term of ressentiment for subculture orbiting dweebs too caught up seething to actually engage. Look it up.

anon (not verified) Tue, 06/13/2023 - 10:12

Nice try. "Personal responsibility" in your contexts is an ableist dog whistle for the bootlicking status quo. It's a call to be complacent with the establishment. Stop pretending and take some personal responsibility with your non-anarchist position, 09:18.

anonymous (not verified) Tue, 06/13/2023 - 10:32

what is this magical "your contexts" that you're saying makes personal responsibility ableist dog whistiling bootlicking etc?

back this up with something, please.

of course personal responsibility CAN be those things, but what makes them those things here? or is personal responsibility another phrase that is getting ceded to our enemies? in which case, what phrase for agency are you now proposing we use?

Peter Steele (not verified) Tue, 06/13/2023 - 18:37

Libertarian in Europe means fairly the same thing as it does in the US. Silly American. Mayhaps you meant in the past it meant like 80 years ago it meant something different in Europe? Repeating the canard that it means something different in contemporary Europe is just wrong. Anarchism and libertarianism has already been mixed by people like anarcho-capitalism or national anarchism.

What "big convergence in the U.S." is meant here? I mean, twelve people discussing health care or "converging" anarchism with libertarianism thought isn't big. It's hard to discuss something when you assign different meanings to the words you are using.

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