Once hooked on it, most people prefer having a stable and reliable source of electricity and clean running water, as well as driving on well-paved roads. Many stake their livelihood on it. They’d take offense to someone who may attempt to interrupt their utilities, or make their commute harder. When facing service interruptions, often they'll find an alternative way to stay plugged in. Anti-civ anarchist attacks on infrastructure are more unpopular than say attacks on a hated public figure, or slave driver bosses. Not saying they’re out there to win hearts and minds, they want to sabotage the functioning of the machine that is industrial society, whether people like it or not. Sometimes politicians even manage to get a good approval rate, while anarchism remains a fringe idea, let alone anti-civ anarchism. In any case, even minor vandalism can be used to paint anarchists as the public enemy.

When does being indifferent about public opinion cross the line into embracing the role of being an enemy of society, a misanthropic anti-social orientation where most people are the target? Is attacking what came to be and is sustained by popular demand an attack on the populace? In places where normality encompasses the daily nuisance of service interruptions, does sabotage of infrastructure make as much sense as in places with a very steady supply? Does sabotage of centralized public utilities have the unintended consequence of incentivizing decentralized privatized consumer solutions (concrete examples: portable gas generators, solar panels), making their current modern lifestyle less reliant on public infrastructure, and therefore less vulnerable to that sort of attack?

Two relevant recent publications:
Blackout
Anti-Sistema Issue 2

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anon (not verified) Sun, 07/07/2024 - 16:23

The one great thing about Ted Kaczinsky is that he inspired people to see themselves in anti-tech revolt, and has given rise to young people who just can't stand phones and who do not rely on the internet for information.

You may think most people are hooked, but there are those of us out there, who, are strong individuals planning the next attack! Just have faith my friend.

SirEinzige Sun, 07/07/2024 - 21:01

That's pretty telling of what a well placed strike can do.

At the end of the day though I think you just have to let Rome burn itself out. If you have a novel gang that does this the system will eventually catch up(think of The Bonot Gang anarchist invented machine gun getaway). The water pipes will simply have well placed armed guards.

At the end of the day you can't blow up a civilized mass shared narrative.

anonymouse (not verified) Sat, 07/13/2024 - 11:22

In reply to by anon (not verified)

Using dynamite made for the mining industry to "blow up civilization" does in fact require using the master's tools against the master's house. Dynamite IS a technology.

lumpy (not verified) Sat, 07/13/2024 - 21:37

In reply to by anon (not verified)

you little kiwifarms hobgoblins think we fuck with audre lorde around here?

lol embarrassing for you! derrick salmonfucker jensen on the line, says he wants his hot take from 2006 back?

anon (not verified) Sun, 07/07/2024 - 23:03

Infrastructure attacks aren't the exclusive province of any political tendency. They're standard fare in war, both between states & by political movements against states. Often people on one side of the conflict or another support them if they perceive it as enemy infrastructure, as is remarkably visible today in Palestine & has been frequently in [counter]insurgencies worldwide.

So I don't think the marginally of anarchist infrastructure attacks is as much about the targets or the inherent conservatism of the "public".

"We won’t destroy capitalism through the amount or value of damage we cause, but by the significance of that damage and how it communicates itself." https://avlanarchy.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/the-riot-or-the-attack/

anon (not verified) Tue, 07/09/2024 - 14:43

In reply to by anon (not verified)

Israel is waging a compelling anti-civilization campaign right now. I'm wondering when we might see self-organized anarchist units in the IDF in the same style as those acting in defense of Ukraine.

anon (not verified) Wed, 07/10/2024 - 12:14

In reply to by anon (not verified)

What do you mean? The amount of infrastructure compromised in Gaza far outstrips the scale of all the attacks carried out by feral anti-civ militant combined. Genuinely, how can you say that few burned hummers or destroyed 5G towers compare?

To answer the question posed by the topic at hand: luckily, the Israeli Anti-Civ Forces have destroyed both public and private infrastructure–be it municipal water services, electricity, or food stores–leaving no alternative that might be turned to.

Gazans are no longer civ-cucked.

anon (not verified) Wed, 07/10/2024 - 12:23

In reply to by anon (not verified)

Gud troll, brah. Here let me try your kewl logicks:

The USofA waged a compelling anti-civilization campaign in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. I'm wondering when we might see self-organized anarchist units in the US Armed Forces in the same style as those acting in deez nuts

Yaaay

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 01:10

I have some lore behind this post for the people commenting in 2024. It was written by Calabrese themselves. I was in the Discord call when they came up with the idea to prank warzone by writing a critique of their own writing. That's why there's so many self owns in it and why warzone removed the pdf from their noblogs, they eventually found out.

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 03:29

Old man Biden: *slurps on ice cream cone*

A-news: what if we disrupted people's access to clean drinking water? That ought to piss off the normies

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 09:14

If we dont care about mobilizing millions of people for armed insurrection against the state, then we are the actual vanguardist authoritarians who can only win by crushing everyone else, devastating their roads, torching their hospitals, cutting off their electricity. This is not a form of anarchism. It is.... Something else.

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 09:23

In reply to by anon (not verified)

You write in a very confusing way where you conclusion is contradicting your premise. Is this AI generated? It doesn't follow simply logical thinking.

If we don't X, then we are Y, who can only win by (a variation of) X, [and that makes us] Y.

Do you see where your brain might be broken, 09:14?

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 10:32

In reply to by anon (not verified)

It has become known that the publicly-accessible AI programs are surprisingly dumb when it comes to logical assumptions.

Tho some human marxoids are also thinking along the same patterns...

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 13:01

In reply to by anon (not verified)

do you think that blowing up random clinics or whatever anti-civ advocates fantasize about is the same as armed insurrection against the state? that's why your comment suggests. not the op but just curious because your confusion seems to come from equating those two things

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 13:10

In reply to by anon (not verified)

That is not what 09:23's comments suggests. You are moving goalposts.

09:14 was making a fuss about violence but seemed perfectly fine with a certain kind of violence.

You are both suggesting that armed insurrection is perhaps okay when arson or road destruction is not. This is patently absurd.

MANY more ("innocent") lives would be lost and destroyed if anarchists "mobiliz[ed] millions of people for armed insurrection against the state".

I suppose organizationalists are going to keep having their militant wet dream and pull their hair out over anything on a smaller scale that the state might call "terror".

So dumb!

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 14:38

In reply to by anon (not verified)

do you think only "organizationalists" want to make an armed insurrection against the state involving millions of people? also, do you think the problem is about "harming" people? also, if there was an insurrection against the state that did not include the self activity of millions, how do you think it would establish its values and how is that not a form of dictatorship? i personally am of the eco-insurrectionalist "greek"-style anarchy, not some mass org shill

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 14:43

In reply to by anon (not verified)

If you're not the organizationalist anon that is complaining about arson and destroying roads as being something "not anarchism" then this wasn't for you, ding dong. Thanks for the bio tho.

TranslationBot (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 09:36

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"Real Anarchists would never hurt people by cutting off their electricity or ruining their roads! That would be authoritarian terror!

Real Anarchists must *checks notes* mobilize millions of people for armed insurrection against the state!!"

*farts loudly*

anon (not verified) Sat, 07/13/2024 - 20:40

In reply to by anon (not verified)

wat? where are the 996,032 armed insurrectionists supposed to come from? you watch to much mister rogers neighborhood of make believe.

lumpy (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 10:22

the classic tensions and contradictions of any discussion of political violence

is it about trying to win a popularity contest? clearly not. this is why all the most accomplished violence doers are constantly bullshitting, using double speak. violence is always portrayed as "safety", "security", "defensive", etc.

a rookie mistake to say "yes, we are violent" if the goal is to persuade strangers that you're reasonable and righteous

but if you're not trying to do that, what's left? inspiring the type of respect that's based in fear?

i'm personally of the misanthropic, anti-social tendency but i very deliberately don't make that leap to collective punishment being justifiable. it's completely unjustifiable and it always will be. target selection is by far, the most important detail in conflict. i also don't see any reason why an enemy of society can't be thoughtful about where they point their efforts

target selection is everything. only a very lazy and/or psychotic fugue state would allow anyone to think otherwise

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 10:30

In reply to by lumpy (not verified)

"i'm personally of the misanthropic, anti-social tendency"

This is not what the Immortal Science taught you! All those years of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism down the drain. What a waste!

lumpy (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 14:47

In reply to by anon (not verified)

marx just has a critique, much like yourself and as for those other guys ... you sure do love whoopin' on that strawmanarchist!

anon (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 17:50

In reply to by lumpy (not verified)

I accept this as a confirmation that it's not about the Communism at all but rather you merely have a large beard fetish. Lenin probably had a hormonal issue from all the seething ressentiment and Mao was genetically unable so I suppose it makes sense now that you've come clean.

lumpy (not verified) Mon, 07/08/2024 - 18:58

In reply to by anon (not verified)

...and i would have gotten away with it too!
if not for those meddling kids and their dog with a charming speech impediment!

lumpy (not verified) Mon, 07/15/2024 - 13:29

In reply to by lumpy (not verified)

i have been getting increasingly bored at work. everyone knows how it is keeping the place secure...? it's easy work keeping it secure. ain't no one around... i stand here and look into the vast nothingness of the sky or stare at my phone.

anon (not verified) Sun, 07/14/2024 - 09:37

In reply to by lumpy (not verified)

Love trolling a whole lot, which is basically about getting attention.

"Hi! Im lumpy. I hate people, but i love watching angry people! It's makes me feel powerful. Please kill me."

IM JUST SOOO S… (not verified) Wed, 07/10/2024 - 01:24

IM JUST SO SICK OF ALL THE WHINING REFORMISTS,,,,,,WE ARE ANARCHS AND WE DON'T WASTE OUR BREATH DISCUSSING AUTHORITARIAN STATIST ETHICS !!

anon (not verified) Wed, 07/10/2024 - 03:45

for all the talk of power being logistical and stopping megachines, these type of attacks are more an expression of intense moral condemnation of the things they are attacking, than they are any thought out strategy with a clear logic and end goal.

metrics of effectiveness and optics are often an afterthought after the person has committed to carry out such attacks. anything will do to stroke the ego of those with megalomaniacal inclinations.

anon (not verified) Wed, 07/10/2024 - 07:33

WHERE is Public Opinion and how can I argue with them?

Is it social media!?

Or is this some purely impersonal spook filling in for the superego role?

Normies need more Freud & Reich, I think. Perhaps some Lacan but didn't read too much of him.

anon (not verified) Wed, 07/10/2024 - 10:38

There is indifference to public opinion and then there are genocidal notions of sabotaging access to clean water.

It would be wise to understand the difference.

anon (not verified) Sun, 07/14/2024 - 09:48

the internet is a horrible place but luckily we have the knights of the moderating team on anews to delete this comment

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