Been reading and listening to people (notably Naomi Klein in Doppleganger but some youtubers as well) talk about how there is a growing tendency for valuable words and concepts to be coopted by our enemies or at least our non-friends. Fake news, The Other/othering, woke, and mutual aid are just a few of the ideas that have been (or are being) made into signifiers for people who we strongly disagree with.
Two part question then:
1. what are words/concepts that you see as being turned or in the process of turning into something antithetical to their original meaning (including ones that we're taking from non-anarchists, if you can think of some),
2. how do you figure out (especially on the internet, when only the broadest context might exist) whether someone's word usage indicates where you stand in relation to them, or where a commenter stands in relation to issues you care about? What have you done to get more information (I mean, there's always asking, but sometimes that doesn't clarify much).
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Buzzy/niche terminology…
anon (not verified) Tue, 07/08/2025 - 16:37
Buzzy/niche terminology definitely gives me the impression that the person using them, online or off, spends most of their time in echo chambers, and often isn't comfortable or familiar with what goes on outside them.
It's interesting that you seem to think of those terms as "our" words, at least in contrast to people we "strongly disagree with." Is that because you only weakly disagree with liberals? Do you, as i've noticed many anarchists seem to, or at least used, think of "liberal" as "people with basically decent values who are hypocritical at putting them into practice"? Because if not, if there were a more concrete definition, it would be easier to understand why it's part of their ideology to consider words and ideas *in themselves* as worth fighting over in the first place...
*BECAUSE THEY'RE MACHINIC…
anon (not verified) Wed, 07/09/2025 - 09:23
In reply to Buzzy/niche terminology… by anon (not verified)
*BECAUSE THEY'RE MACHINIC COMPONENTS OF THE SYMBOLIC ORDER!*
nothing to do but walk away
See you’re just doing a word…
anon (not verified) Thu, 07/10/2025 - 14:49
In reply to *BECAUSE THEY'RE MACHINIC… by anon (not verified)
See you’re just doing a word thing again. Ideas are machines , and order is symbolic!
i'm an animal, i'm stupid…
anon (not verified) Thu, 07/10/2025 - 21:22
In reply to See you’re just doing a word… by anon (not verified)
i'm an animal, i'm stupid and i like it that way, and i can't understand your syllogisms----
Better?
i mean in more honesty: of course words fail for any suitable purpose. how would you know if someone you're talking to is skeptical of words/ideas from your limited POV? many people know this in part, and yet we continue to talk bc thats what's around us. only person i know who has made a hardcore attempt to purge unwanted uses of language from his life is perceived by most people as a raving schizophrenic bum-- his self isolation is notable, but not the answer most people need to the symbolic order. what do you do?
If only the fxxxing sea level would rise eh JZ?
anon (not verified) Fri, 07/11/2025 - 07:59
How many signals do you need that human made climate change is bollocks? Have the seas risen? No. Has a new runway been built on the Maldives? Yes. Have the Controllers moved away from the beach homes? No. Has peak oil happened? No. I believed in peak oil, peak everything... then I realised it was bollocks. JZ, it's very sad he's still spewing out such garbage when there is no evidence. Yes, there is pollution. But the climate and oil are fine.
Ancient glaciers and polar…
anon (not verified) Fri, 07/11/2025 - 08:42
In reply to If only the fxxxing sea level would rise eh JZ? by anon (not verified)
Ancient glaciers and polar caps melting brah. .Beach side houses washing away brah. Bushfires in Canada brah. 1,245 people died from heating exhaustion last week in western Europe brah, many species becoming extinct brah, now go to daddy Trump brah
"Have the seas risen?"…
anon (not verified) Fri, 07/11/2025 - 08:45
In reply to Ancient glaciers and polar… by anon (not verified)
"Have the seas risen?"
Beaches are like birds! Sand isn't real!
Un-fucking-believable. There will never be any "organizing" or "revolution" for people this narcissistic and dumb.
of course
km (not verified) Fri, 07/11/2025 - 11:00
one of the only things anarchist & anarchist adjacent people have stolen from rightoids is trolly sarcasm and denial of reality.
siblings, we aren't going to win this by using their game.
sometimes it seems like anarchists are just losers, and not even beautiful ones.
sigh..........
Al Gore said so much of the land
anon (not verified) Fri, 07/11/2025 - 14:16
would be under water by now. It ain't!!! Duh!!! Peak oil would be obvious. It ain't because it was/is bollocks. Richard Heinberg and his doom predictions was all crapola. Right Wrong Right Left is bollocks. Sure, there's propaganda and pollution but no MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE. NO CO2 SCARY GAS. You're being taxed and scared by Controllers' propaganda. Wakey Wakey. JZ, show me the rising sea level. Some visual evidence please.
I can agree with some of…
anon (not verified) Mon, 07/14/2025 - 08:02
In reply to Al Gore said so much of the land by anon (not verified)
I can agree with some of this, yet you still sound like an awful person to dine with...
sea levels
anon (not verified) Mon, 07/14/2025 - 14:46
In reply to Al Gore said so much of the land by anon (not verified)
You are a moron.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
Sea level rising you moron...
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 15:35
In reply to sea levels by anon (not verified)
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html. this link provides words... mere words... mere propaganda. What do your fuckin' eyes tell you? Do YOU see the rising seas? No. Where has been flooded by the sea as Al Gore forecasted? The Emperor Has No Clothes comes to mind. So, again, what do you see... what they tell you to see? For you, the emperor is wearing fine silks etc.
Here you go
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 16:39
In reply to Sea level rising you moron... by anon (not verified)
Before and after photos from the Marshall Islands:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2015/mar/11/clim…
Marshall Islands This is storm damage...
anon (not verified) Mon, 07/21/2025 - 10:36
In reply to Here you go by anon (not verified)
or weather related; it isn't climate related. The sea hasn't permanently risen and taken over. Shit like the Marshall Islands happens at some time in many coastal areas. We should be flooded by now and low on oil. Re-watch Al Gore and his baloney predictions, just so they could take your land, tax you even more and depress the fuck out of you.
And the population signals...
anon (not verified) Fri, 07/11/2025 - 14:28
There's too many of "us" they cry. OK, then, all of you who think that, be the first to reduce the number of "us." Go on then, do the right thing; don't expect me to join in your doomer signals. You're posers basically.
Language has always been…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 03:32
Language has always been controlled and harnessed by oppressors. It is a fundamental part of oppression. Native languages are extinguished and replaced by empire as a priority. The definition and meaning of words is closely and tightly managed by the media and politicians and corporations.
Control language and control thought.
It's important that we recognise this, as the OP has done here, so we can reclaim and redefine how we communicate and how we act.
Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Chernobyl and Fukushima
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 07:16
JZ would have you believe, as do the Controllers, that all these areas are fatally toxic and yet, life thrives in all places. So, yet another doomer signal. JZ supposedly is a critical thinker and super sceptical of the mainstream narrative. However, the evidence is crystal clear and not too hard to substantiate. Social doomer signalling. Indeed, JZ quotes mainstream press regularly to supposedly support reality!!!
Small-scale molten salt…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 09:32
In reply to Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Chernobyl and Fukushima by anon (not verified)
Small-scale molten salt nuclear reactors or even hypothetical small fusion reactors would be an ideal way to electrify future anarchist societies. There's a reason nuclear power is only produced in massive plants the state is required to manage. Nuclear + batteries = death to the energy sector.
Fuck off already, Elon Boi.
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 20:49
In reply to Small-scale molten salt… by anon (not verified)
Fuck off already, Elon Boi.
yes, my narrowly focused…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 09:58
In reply to Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Chernobyl and Fukushima by anon (not verified)
yes, my narrowly focused friend, life has resumed in these places, that does not mean that your human body would also be able to live well in those places. mushrooms and plants are not bears or humans, and passing through is not the same as living in.
particular things can be true at one scale of existence and also be untrue at another scale of existence. there are organisms living in the depths of the ocean, that does not mean you can live in the depths of the ocean.
Your ignorance is on full…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 12:26
In reply to yes, my narrowly focused… by anon (not verified)
Your ignorance is on full display here, pundit, as large mammals have become one of the most successful niches in the area in the wake of the meltdown. People never stopped living there either, the survivors likely have some form of resistance to cancer cells.
Also the death toll from all those radiator meltdowns is big fat 0.
what interest do YOU have in…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 12:37
In reply to Your ignorance is on full… by anon (not verified)
what interest do YOU have in pointing out the flaws of others? still working on that ego death, huh?
bruh, i really do need to…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 17:58
In reply to Your ignorance is on full… by anon (not verified)
bruh, i really do need to see the actual info as you are not a reliable source.
Show me photographs that prove Al Gore was
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/13/2025 - 08:40
In reply to bruh, i really do need to… by anon (not verified)
right. Not one pic of the seas taking over. There are "green" taxes and scare stories but no fuckin' evidence. Keep believing. The Royal Duke has four children yet he claims humans are too many and a virus. Don't have children then, let alone 4 parasites. See it's the plebs (as they see them) they want rid of. Plenty of co2 for them, none for you scum.
Humans and mammals live in…
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/13/2025 - 08:33
In reply to yes, my narrowly focused… by anon (not verified)
Humans and mammals live in two supposedly hit by toxic bombs in Japan. Humans live in Chernbyl and Fukushima. No one has mentioned the depths of oceans my narrow focused friend.
i think the only way to…
anon (not verified) Sat, 07/12/2025 - 10:21
i think the only way to really gauge whether someone is worth talking to, in the face of antipathetic jargon especially, is time and interactions and patience.
super hard to find the motivation for that in online anon interactions, but even more beautiful when it does happen.
Through Covid, I was told I would see folk keeling over...in the
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 16:11
Street!!! Not one I saw. The China propaganda assured me I would see plenty of people dropping dead. My common sense waited and no one dropped down. Not one. Stay alert and critical: show me some evidence not just television spectacle. Anarchists have lost their scepticism.
your argument
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 16:24
In reply to Through Covid, I was told I would see folk keeling over...in the by anon (not verified)
Your argument is seriously that you didn't personally see anyone die?
Or have you?
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 17:32
In reply to your argument by anon (not verified)
Or have you?
legit curious, different anon here
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 17:42
In reply to your argument by anon (not verified)
but why would that be a bad argument?
bc I feel the same way. I was promised widespread death, yet, not only did I not see people dropping dead in droves, but I also don't know anyone who's seen evidence to support those claims. Not to mention, especially in communities where vaccine-refusal was nearly unanimous, therefore ostensibly the most vulnerable and unprotected group of people, (of which I am part of bc me too I didn't take the jab), again... no mass death.
So yeah if the media and politicians are telling you you WILL DEFINITELY see people dropping like flies, and it just. doesn't. fucking. happen.... it's legit to call that out as total gaslighty bs to advance social control and enrichen corporations.
I did see relatives…
anon (not verified) Sun, 07/20/2025 - 20:17
In reply to legit curious, different anon here by anon (not verified)
I did see relatives purportedly dying from Covid, but coroners' investigations were blocked and deatha were systematically reported as being due to Covid without any other examinations. Some bureaucrat was apparently just checking a box on a document so the daycare center would receive more emergency grants...
Covid was real, but also a trick. You usually don't die from a pneumonia, even tho anyone with respiratory or heart issues likely will.
"why would that be a bad…
lumpy (not verified) Mon, 07/21/2025 - 08:59
In reply to legit curious, different anon here by anon (not verified)
"why would that be a bad argument?" here ya go! have a read!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_bias
In a totalitarian regime,…
anon (not verified) Mon, 07/21/2025 - 19:13
In reply to "why would that be a bad… by lumpy (not verified)
In a totalitarian regime, things pile the trains to the death camps are dismissed anecdotal evidence, observer bias and let's also add some obvious conspiracy theory.
"pile" = "like".... My…
anon (not verified) Mon, 07/21/2025 - 19:15
In reply to In a totalitarian regime,… by anon (not verified)
"pile" = "like".... My keyboad is drunk.
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